directories submission

Sharky said: "what do you think to there type of websites that put your website address on loads of directorys?"

AngelaCea said: "They suck! :eek:"

Sharky said: "why do they though? i need to advertise and i dont want to go to every individual directory submiting my website, so is there anything wrong with doing that?"

Neutron2k said: "its a good way to get traffic but you need to make sure of the directory your submitting to. You need to make sure its not a link farm or anything. If they request a recip, move on. Thats my opinion."

Sharky said: "ok then cheers :D i'll go find one."

AngelaCea said: "Go find one what :confused: What N2K says is half right, you will not get a lot of traffic from most directories, but he is correct about those that are reciprocal linking schemes, many of them will hurt more than help! Most directories are simply for backlinks and not for traffic and the SE's are doing away with ranking sites based on the quantity of links because of this trend that webmasters fell into of getting millions of links, thinking it would move them to the top of the SERP's."

Neutron2k said: "i should of put the word 'some' in front of the word 'traffic' there lol."

SiteExpress said: "I think that it really does not matter how many directories you submit to. You cannot count on them for pagerank or backlinks. Some directories use nofollow attributes that take away any backlink anyway. The whole reason directories are being thumped on by SEs, is because they are being misused. A directory is supposed to be a source of information. A place you can go, and find websites easily. It is supposed to be for the visitor, and not the webmaster. Tony and N2K are both right. If they require a recip link, then they are only concentrating on the webmaster and his backlink, and could probably care less if they make it easy for someone to find a website they are looking for. There is nothing wrong with submitting to directories. you just have to learn which ones are there for providing traffic to the websites it contains, and which ones are only out for backlinks and shoving their traffic into a different part of their site. Just my 2 cents, and I am not even the King of the Internet."

AngelaCea said: "Good post SiteExpress, this is a very important subject for webmasters and directory publishers! Directory publishers will have to rethink their entire business model IMO because webmasters are hip to reciprocal link directories being targeted by the SE's and the fact that they are mostly considered link farms now! I think all directory publishers should get with the program and dump all text that suggests reciprocal links period. It is not just directories, but many websites have offered cut and paste code for years to produce a link trade on their link page, the payback for the link has been the cut and pasting of that reciprocal link code on the webmasters page that received the link! Real bad stuff all of a sudden for sure!"

SiteExpress said: "While I do believe in what you are saying Tony, I think that it is also possible to over protect yourself, then kill your own business. I think reciprocal linking is fine, as long as it is not forced. Having a code snippet ready for a person to use should be fine. It is no different than any other business out there with a banner for people to use. The difference is, you cannot force people to pay for it."

AngelaCea said: "It's very bad because the SE's know more about linking than webmasters do and they can see via data mining where this happens!"

Neutron2k said: "tony, thats not actually true. the search engines are as they are called, 'engines'. they are nothing more than automated systems and no system is perfect. they follow a set of user derived algorithms and there is always a way around the laws and rules of a system. This is constantly being proven and is why google has to keep updating and rewriting things along with all the others. Machines are only as smart as the people using them/writing them. computers and software is stupid. Its upto the user to make it work. everything can be broken. therefor you cannot say that the ses know more about linking that the web kasters. They don't. they follow human derived algorithms."

AngelaCea said: "OK, webmasters know as much as Google and Yahoo about linking! :rolleyes:"

SiteExpress said: "I guess I am a little confused about where Tony stands on such issues. He condems directories, webmasters, search engines, link farms, and pretty much anything having to do with mainstream internet...Yet,.... He lives on a Webmaster based forum Has a Directory in his signature Attempts to profit from domain names and website sales Most of his websites are more external links than content. ([url]http://www.internetnamebank.com/pages/4/index.htm[/url]) Not trying to bash Tony, but I just thought it was ironic."

AngelaCea said: "Talk about a full of shit post, that takes the cake man!"

Neutron2k said: "just like 99.85% of your posts tony."

AngelaCea said: "Right, I forgot more about this game than you guys know, so I really don't want to hear it from either of you! So you guys can code, I got people that are in line to code for me all over the world for 10% of what you can do it for! I have dumped good friends that were coders better than either of you because they sat on their hands and were smart asses, so I really don't need it from you two! You guys act like you are the founders of Google or something, face it you are just a couple webmasters! I have written about Google and Bill Gates for years and fought with the founder of e-Bay on forums, so don't think you guys strike fear in me! Get real guys and face reality!"

SiteExpress said: "Just in case that post was directed at me. LOL, I dont think I have ever implied that I was a great webmaster. In fact, I freely admit to still being a noob at it. Code for you? I dont recall offering. Founders of Google? Who is the one trying to offer advice on search engines one post after another, after another, after another, with a break somewhere to mention a dead rock star. [QUOTE] I have written about Google and Bill Gates for years and fought with the founder of e-Bay on forums,[/QUOTE] I am not surprised, but you must have worked something out, since you are referring your traffic to them in your directory."

AngelaCea said: "You're a great guy SiteExpress as is N2K, you guys keep the place interesting for the members! Keep up the good work man! :D Just remember that when you guys push me, I may laugh about it or go insane, just ask the WM3 how that works! Welcome to Webmastery, the both of you! :o"

Neutron2k said: "[QUOTE=AnthonyCea]Right, I forgot more about this game than you guys know, so I really don't want to hear it from either of you! So you guys can code, I got people that are in line to code for me all over the world for 10% of what you can do it for! I have dumped good friends that were coders better than either of you because they sat on their hands and were smart asses, so I really don't need it from you two! You guys act like you are the founders of Google or something, face it you are just a couple webmasters! I have written about Google and Bill Gates for years and fought with the founder of e-Bay on forums, so don't think you guys strike fear in me! Get real guys and face reality![/QUOTE] drop your friends because they wont do any work for you? your pathetic. you got people lined up to code, my arse. you think your managment material or somthing tony? god thats god me in stitches. as for claims that the coders are better than us? how would you know? what proof do you have? do you have any idea of my capabilities? I' notjust a web developer tony. I design databases, i code in 14 other (stand alone) languages, including severeal object oriented ones."

SiteExpress said: "Thanks for the compliment! Can I use that in my resume? I will of course leave out your name."

AngelaCea said: "How many coders do you think I know N2K? Just about all of them know me man, I don't need to take shit off of anyone, got it :confused:"

Darren said: "[QUOTE=SiteExpress]I guess I am a little confused about where Tony stands on such issues. He condems directories, webmasters, search engines, link farms, and pretty much anything having to do with mainstream internet...Yet,.... He lives on a Webmaster based forum Has a Directory in his signature Attempts to profit from domain names and website sales Most of his websites are more external links than content. ([url="http://www.internetnamebank.com/pages/4/index.htm"]http://www.internetnamebank.com/pages/4/index.htm[/url]) Not trying to bash Tony, but I just thought it was ironic.[/QUOTE] Hypocrite and phony are two words that come to mind :)"

SiteExpress said: "Ahhh, Those are the words I have been searching for!!"

chris3471 said: "Those are words Tony hears a lot. :eek:"

AngelaCea said: "Hu Hu Hu, you guy's keep dreaming and thinking insanity! :o"